Apparently some vegans are telling people not to eat honey to support bees.
STOP. STOP NOW.
DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW BEES WORK?
Buy honey (local if possible) -> support beekeepers -> support bees.
I swear people don’t even think this stuff out.
Beekeepers provide bees with an environment in which they can live, and are encouraged to thrive. Bees then have a big huge giant person who can deal with any threats to the hive.
Yes, honey is a winter food supply for bees, but beekeepers (unless they’re dicks, in which case they’d be shooting themselves in the foot) will NEVER take too much honey from a hive, and will always ensure that bees have enough food. Think about it, you’re not going to starve a source of income/hobby, are you?
I think a few ppl took Bee Movie too seriously.
Can a knowledgable vegan tackle this post please? I can’t imagine this is logical.
Yes, I can and I have several issues with that.
Wild bees exist. Many different races, on top of that. Bees do not fucking need human support to live.
The whole "without us bees will die" argument is wrong, because bees literally die because of us spraying pesticides on plants while bees are out pollinating
and because humans feed them substitutes instead of letting them
nurture their young with honey. (that’s 2 links)
There is more than enough cruelty involved in honey.
Watch the more than honey documentary and shut the goddamn hell up forever.
this needs to be reblogged thousands of times with that takedown because I’m god damn tired of seeing thousands of notes on these misguided anti vegan posts when what matters here are the bees, not how humans are their saviors
I can’t let this go, because whenever a vegan pulls this shit it always baffles me. I live on an apiary, for Christ’s sakes, so it’s always fascinating to see some jackoff on the internet telling me how beekeepers operate.
Wild bees exist, but their population is not this massively impressive, sustained population. You can thank logging and development for that.
While it is true that bees die because of us, and honestly, NO ONE IS ARGUING AGAINST THAT. THE ENTIRE SAVE THE BEES DEBATE IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT BEES ARE BEING KILLED BY PESTICIDES. It blows my goddamn mind that vegans wanna hop on that bandwagon and act like people don’t get it. Everyone gets it. Even Monsanto gets it, Monsanto just doesn’t give a flying fuck.
The ONLY time that beekeepers have to give a honey-substitute to bees is when a winter is particularly harsh and the bees deplete their resources. NO beekeeper “steals” all of the honey and leaves them with sugar water. We’re not evil villains twirling mustaches while laughing for fucks sakes.
Because at the end of the day, it’s a business. And vegans, apparently, believe that the world is not driven by capitalism, and that we can magically wish away capitalism with a flick of the goddamn wrist.
What happens if we do away with beekeepers and just ‘let nature’ decide?
Well, for starters, this leaves all bee populations to the whim of every other industry. No place for the bees to move in? Well, they’ll try to move onto people’s properties and build wild hives. And then get exterminated. Because people feel threatened by bee hives.
But the biggest, most damning thing, the thing that makes it so utterly irrational that vegans would be blogging AGAINST beekeeping, is that your entire goddamn diet REVOLVES around beekeepers.
Every single crop that requires insect pollination? Farms have beekeepers bring their bees to do that. Guess what happens without beekeepers? Can’t mass-pollinate as easily. Those wild bee populations don’t settle in close to humans because they’ll be taken down by exterminators, and butterflies and bumblebees don’t even come CLOSE to the pollinating power of honeybees.
When bees get an excess of honey? They get aggressive. It’s so they can defend their honey, of course. If you don’t harvest some, they just keep growing and getting more honey, because there aren’t days off for them. So then you get massive, unwieldy bee hives that are giant beacons for wildlife to pulverize.
What you SHOULD be campaigning against, vegans, is Monsanto. Because if the beekeepers vanish, do you know what remains? Monsanto. And the bees still get to enjoy breathing in all of those fantastically lethal chemicals, only now without there being a viable commercial reason to give a shit about them. On top of that, the bees lose out on protection and, indeed, on concerned businesses convincing politicians to stop Monsanto.
It is goddamn frustrating to me. Our bees produced 700 pounds of excess honey this year. 700 pounds. Their reserves are filled to burst because we don’t like to have to feed them a substitute. Hell, we’ve only had to give them substitute once, for two weeks.
I hate it when people talk clean out their ass. The person who posted all of those sources, which, FYI, the non-vegan sources? Explain what honey does. They do NOT even talk about honey substitute, they just talk about what honey does for bees. Scare tactic bullshit. The person who posted all of that deleted their blog. Jesus, they must have really believed their bullshit confidently!
Don’t just lap up vegan propaganda. There are PLENTY of viable reasons to be vegan, and hey, I’m not saying you -should- eat honey if you’re vegan. But don’t you DARE try to tout this bullshit as “fact”. The only things hurt by this, are the bees. Hate it all that we want, at this point, the bees DO need us, because if we didn’t need them, you know for a fact we’d wipe them out. We’re a disgusting race hellbent on slaughtering whatever doesn’t suit us. If we didn’t use bees for agriculture and honey? Holy shit, they’re annoying stinging motherfuckers, we’d probably have tons of pesticides designed specifically to kill them.
Sorry that I ranted about that, just, fuck man. I can’t stand vegan propaganda aimed at honeybees. It invariably signs a death sentence for honeybees every single time.